Jupiter, Saturn placed in the 8th house

The 8th house is called a Dushamsthan, a house of turmoil. Every sort of ‘Shock’, is the domain of the 8th house. This post is on how Jupiter and Saturn perform in this house of traumatic catastrophic changes.

Jupiter placed in the 8th house.

Jupiter placed in the 8th house is a good placement. His primary nature is to expand, so he will expand whatever is signified by your 8th house. Jupiter and Mars are quite friendly so Jupiter feels quite comfortable in this natural house of Mars.

The 8th is the house of all sorts of openings so you can expect life to open up for you at several levels. At the most material level, doors will open for you and the windows of opportunity will always available. But this route of growth will be in the shape of the transformative agents of the shocking 8th house. However Jupiter’s inherent benevolent nature allows you to accept this transformative trauma and its growth potential with hope and faith. Identity transformations will be many but gentler. There will be several changes in personality, ever growing, ever expanding.

You will face a lot of upheavals in life linked to the agents of the 8th, but every change will give you an enormously positive outcome which you had neither thought of nor anticipated at that time. There will be several unexpected situations in life. Possibilities of several surgeries remain, however they will all be successful. It would be good if you do routine body check ups after mid-life.

You will have knowledge of the occult and mysterious. Several deep secrets will be known to you, about yourself and about other people too. And you will use them, the secretive ‘king-maker’, your actions will be secret too. You will outwardly seem very ordinary but will wield your secretive influence on matters which will affect several. There will be something magnetic/large! about your personality, depending on which sign/body part is linked here. Large magnetic eyes perhaps?

Jupiter is an enormous graha and he uses the enormous potential of the 8th. He is basically a Teacher, and grants life experience using the energy of this 8th. His teachings go very deep into the astral self. You will practice spiritual activities which involve the movement of pran /kundalini. If the other placements support, this Jupiter can grant Moksh or at least significant spiritual growth.

You might have secret affairs before marriage or there will be some secret irregularities before you settle down with your spouse. The actual marriage event also will be in a relative secret setting. The spouse may be secretive, preferring to not be in the public eyes, or may have secret tantrik/ occult/ financial skills which are not known generally. The spouse and his/her family will be generous and helpful. Wealth will increase post-marriage. You can expect increases in hidden wealth. However the family finances will remain your secret as you do not share these details with your spouse. The marriage is reasonably happy with lesser number of children.

The results will vary as per the sign that is in the 8th. e.g. Jupiter if placed in his own signs, Sagittarius or Pisces or his sign of exaltation which is Cancer, will give even better results. Also do analyse that Jupiter is placed here as the lord of which houses. e.g. where are his signs (Sagittarius /Pisces) placed. These other 2 houses will also be affected by Jupiter occupying the 8th.

Transits of Jupiter are relatively long at about 1year per sign, in this period he goes retrograde for about 4 months. So there is a lot of scope for learning, re-learning and revising his lessons. Keep an eye on his transits.

Then as per the Vimhottari dasha system, Jupiter’s Major period, Mahadasha is quite long, 16 years. Also his sub-periods/Antar-dasha, in other planet’s Mahadashas is also quite lengthy. So keep this factor in mind while analysing his effect on you.

Overall this is a good placement.

Jupiter, Saturn in the 8th house

Saturn placed in the 8th house.

There is an understanding that this placement gives a long life, but always evaluate the quality of such a life before concluding that this is a good placement!

Shani is ‘fear’, so unless your Mars, 8th house lord, Ascendant lord and Moon are well placed you will be in perpetual fear of the agents of the 8th house. You resist transformations, change, rebirth, renewal, regeneration and refuse to re-define your self. You resist movement. The environment of the 8th demands transformative changes yet Shani resists them all. His nature is that he must resist. He remains fixed and he endures. Your personality faces changes, this is the function of the 8th house. 8th is continuous evolution. But as Saturn’s nature is to maintain the framework, you cannot evolve freely under his influence.

So look back at your life and try to analyse. Change is essential! But have you failed to change and thus lost valuable opportunities? After this self-introspection, list out the things about you which need change. And then commit yourself to change, slowly gradually over a period of time. As Saturn is commitment and regulation he will accept this form of regulated and well-evaluated change regime.

Then on the physical front, you will require medicines and visit the physical doctor often. You will be less receptive to the power of faith and the energy-healing methods. But in any case, there will be chronic diseases and healing will be slow, yet it will be a long life! Evaluate the 6th, 8th houses together for a in-depth on this health aspect.

The in-laws are seen from the 8th house and will be heavily influenced by Saturn. Here he occupies the 6/8 angle to the ascendant sign, thus the agents of the 8th will be adversarial to the personality. So the spouse and his/her family will be restrictive, maybe in constrained circumstances, anonymous working class type. You will be required to perform duties for them. Spouse’s face, speech, voice and behaviour will not be pleasing and often adversarial to your personal well-being. There will be a significant age difference. However she/he would be hardworking and suffer from chronic illnesses.

Relationship with the birth father is not good. Shani is the natural ruler of the 10th house so the birth father will not be of much help in this life, profession or his wealth will not be available to you. As 8th is 12th counted from the 9th house, the guidance from spiritual-father, established religion and ancestors will also be restricted.

From here Saturn aspects the 10th house, 2nd house and 5th house. So typically you would be a hard-working professional, perhaps with lesser salary than you deserve and your creative intelligence is highly structured. Wealth will not be in proportion to the work being demanded unless there are other influences supporting wealth-generation. No bursts of creativity, more like a steady disciplined output. You cannot ‘enjoy’ your creative genius. e.g. no time to play with children.

The results will vary as per the sign that is in the 8th. Also do analyse where are his signs (Capricorn/Aquarius) placed, in the chart, i.e. Saturn is in the 8th as the ruler of which houses of your chart? These other 2 houses will also be subtly influenced by the agents of the 8th house.

Exception is if Shani is in Libra (exalted), or in Capricorn or Aquarius (his own signs), thus he can better structure the energies of the 8th and help you use them, effectively with discipline. By the time you leave the physical body, you will be a master of these energies and may accrue significant occult /tantrik skills to make the death process very systematic. Depending on the other factors in the chart, he can also grant Moksh or at least significant spiritual growth.

Transits of Saturn are relatively long at about 2.5 years per sign, and he goes retrograde for 4-5 months per year. Thus he ensures learning, re-learning and revising his lessons. Then as per the Vimhottari dasha system, Saturn’s Major period, Mahadasha is quite long, 19 years. Also his sub-periods/Antar-dasha, in other planet’s Mahadashas is also quite long. So keep these factors in mind while analysing Saturn and the timing/intensity of his results.

And then as always, the situation will improve after Saturn matures. Also if the ascendant sign/lord, birth Moon, Mars and 8th house lord are well placed, the negatives of this position can be reduced.

 

I have written about Moon, Sun and Mercury and their effects in the 8th house and also how Rahu/Ketu perform in the 8th house in my earlier posts.Jupiter, Saturn in the 8th house

Rahu Ketu in the 2/8 house axis

Rahu and Ketu are completely astral graha. They do not give any material results on their own. Their actual results are almost completely astral in nature. They influence the material only through the other planets they are linked to. Any placement of Rahu and Ketu will be influenced by the nature of the sign he is in, the owner of this sign and his power to give results and the other planets who conjoin/ aspect Rahu/Ketu.

If either of them are placed alone in the 8th house they perform very badly, this is because of their completely astral nature. The 8th house is quite cryptic to begin with and if either of these two are let loose here without any influence from the other planets the results can be quite devastating on the material front. They might give good occult and spiritual experiences but the effect on the physical personality and environment will not be good. Then the periods of these graha, as per the Vimhottari system, the Ketu Mahadasha or the Rahu Mahadasha will be fraught with dangers. Also it would be advisable to be careful during their sub-periods within other planets Mahadasha. Keep an eye on their transits too, as they last for a longish 1.5yrs/sign. However these will be very rare charts. But if you do get such charts also go through the characteristics of the Nakshatra that he is placed in. In these cases, the subtle influences of the lunar mansions will be stronger and should be given a look.

However Rahu or Ketu in the 8th house can give comparatively better effects if there is some planet with him or at the very least strongly aspecting him. So always first analyse this other planet and then the Rahu or Ketu. The negative effects of this placement can somewhat reduced if the ascendant sign/lord is highly powerful and capable of giving good results.Rahu Ketu in the 2/8 house axisRahu placed in the 8th house (Ketu in the 2nd house).

You will feel dissociated from your family, its resources, the family history etc. You might neglect the affairs of the second or handle them in a typically vague/disinterested manner or perhaps your birth family refuses to give you your share in the family wealth. There might be an undercurrent of bitterness and strain, try to be patient and sensible. Loss of wealth resources or their mismanagement is indicated. Avoid gambling and keep a monthly account of your earning/spending. There might be a tendency to be pessimistic and needlessly morbid. There is a good chance that would be some speech impediment or at the very least you will be misunderstood by others. Try to avoid swear words and unnecessary sarcasm and criticism. This was for Ketu in the 2nd house.

Now for Rahu in the 8th. If Rahu does not receive direction and beneficial influence from other planets this will be dangerous. Rahu will work in his ‘lower’ form and create scope for bad actions, criminal behaviour etc and the shadow side of the 8th will be channelised. The 8th house’s energies are very destructive and unless used wisely, these will cause several problems. Excessive uncontrolled desire to experience the 8this dangerous. 8th house briefly is physical death, release, separation, legacies, spirituality, longevity, organs of sex/reproduction, childbirth, surgeries, accidents, occult, tantra, deep thinking, movement of vital energy/kundalini, shocks, traumas, sudden changes, mysteries, perversity, deep-seated diseases, strange and not of this world.

If a properly directed and balanced Rahu is placed in the 8th then he will pull towards the secrets of the mind, the tantra, occult, the intangible powerful magics. You will be allowed access into these extra dimensions. He will also amplify the effects of the other planet who is influencing him and the effects of the sign and its lord. You can be really very good at all this esoteric stuff. But you will not be drawn towards organised religion, humanitarian views and will have differences with your Teacher-father. So try to develop your own life philosophy and stick to it. You can be very good at the professions indicated by the 8th, researchers, detectives, scientists, surgeons, financial wizards, explorers, travellers etc. Travelling might be extensive and more for pleasure than for work.

You can also gain from your spouse and his/her family, bequeaths and inheritance is quite possible. However when accepting these from others remain respectful and acknowledge them. Rahu is a pretender, so if you are not grateful about these assets from the dead/others you will suffer from bad karma. You will want to forge new identities for yourself, chameleon-like shifts in the personality can be triggered by Rahu. e.g you might want too many cosmetic surgeries and thus lose your self and also your assets. Be careful with such desires/urges linked to 8th house keywords. Do not over-reach. You might suffer secret diseases, problems in reproductive organs, if you are a woman then in childbirth too, accidents, surgeries and diseases related to over-heating. Basically the movement of pran/vital energy in the body will be highly changeable which will be the root cause of all your problems. Generally longevity is good, but then the other placements should also be considered before coming to a conclusion on the lifespan.Rahu Ketu in the 2/8 house axisKetu placed in the 8th house (Rahu in the 2ndhouse).

This is again a very sensitive placement. If there are benefic planets like Jupiter or Venus helping out this will work well else there will be problems.

You develop ambitions about increasing your wealth and assets and maintaining them for your use. Rahu in the 2nd manages to keep the family connection intact. There will be a desire to be in control of the family treasures and using them for your own purposes. You will want solidity, material things you can touch and increase. There will be intense desire for the material (Maya) but satisfaction can ultimately never come from the material. So do not get too obsessed about the gains and losses of the material. Accumulating money is good but try to put a limit to how much is enough and what ways are legal, keep your ambitions reasonable. Try to avoid criminal activities like cheating and bribery. You can be a good astrologer, banker or a singer/speaker. Will have a attractive voice and face. The desire is to experience all the keywords of the 2nd house. Over-indulgence and intoxication in the senses is possible, so limit your drink/ smoke intake and avoid drug intake. Rahu in the 2nd generally gives material comforts, but the problems start when you don’t consciously put a stop to his endless desires.

And on the other side, Ketu in the 8th, you have no desire to change, to transform and to re-invent yourself. The secrets of the mind, of the esoteric, the tantra, the intangible but powerful magics hold no charm for you in the present life. But you have experienced these mysteries to the fullest in your past lives and you carry with you the deepest learnings related to the 8th. You will not be aware of these. But if you can focus on them consciously, they will be available. If Ketu is working on his higher levels, he grants fearlessness. And this is not because of ignorance, it is from these past lives complete experience and learning. You are not scared of transformations of any sort. All professions indicated by the 8th house can be performed by Ketu in depth. The reproductive organs will be weak, so avoid promiscuous behaviour and keep yourself healthy. In case of any medical condition here, go to the doctor. Then the number of children will be less, especially male children may not be born or be short lived. The spouse’s family may be a drain on you and your assets, do not let them over-ride you.

Analysing Rahu and Ketu in this 2nd and 8th house axis can be quite challenging so take your time over it. If the Rahu/Ketu axis gets malefic influences or are debilitated, then there will be a reversal of fortune, situation can go from good to bad very fast. These two are eternally different, the desire to experience vs the apathy to experience. And the two houses in this axis are also completely different, the earthy and solid 2nd vs astral and emotional 8th. The 2nd house is bindings, Maya and 8this Moksh, release. When the Rahu/Ketu occupy these two signs, a balance is sought between mirror images which can be sometimes quite difficult to achieve.

 

Rahu Ketu in the 2/8 house axis

 

 

8th house Dushamsthan

The 6th, 8th and 12th houses of the chart are called the Dushamsthan, of these the 6th is considered the most turbulent as it is linked to the awareness and the resolution of Karma/bondage. The 12th is dissolution of the manifested. The 8th is then catastrophic transformations of identity where the physical, emotional or spiritual identity undergoes a rapid, forceful and often traumatic change. The death of the physical body is the most extreme change which is seen from here. This is the energy of the Rudra, from the 33 koti devatas who make up your body. Catastrophic changes to the body/ mind /soul, always lead to very intense progress on the spiritual levels.

Every sort of ‘Shock’!

Broadly the 8th house from the ascendant governs the situation of physical death, longevity, hidden assets, legacies from the dead, secret knowledge, mysteries, secrets of all forms, undiagnosable diseases, the act of childbirth, the movement of pran/vital energy in the body, occult, tantra, openings of every sort, evolution/involution, cycles of destruction and creation, disappearances and re-appearances, powerful but invisible transformations. Unplanned, unlikely, unanticipated, emergencies, upheavals and meltdowns. Self-destruction coupled with rebirth. And ultimately the potential for recovery, reinvention and reactivation.8th house DushamsthanEnergy (Prakruti) cannot be destroyed, it can only change from one form to another. The principle of Parinam from Sankhya shastra is the essence of the 8th house’s dynamics. The 8th house counted from every house will indicate the potential for transformations related to the keywords of that house. So e.g. if you are looking at the marriage aspects of a chart, also analyse the 2nd house (counted eighth from the 7th), for secrets and changes to the married state. Then the 8th house from the birth Moon should always be analysed. It indicates emotional turbulence and the threats to the stability of the mind and emotions, intimidation and abuse.

The 8th house is never very visible, just like the natural 8th sign of the zodiac Scorpio, it has unfathomed depths. The 8th is a part of the Moksh trikon with the 12th and 4th houses. It facilitates ‘release’. So unless you focus on it specifically, you will remain unaware of your occult potential.

Here is where the walls of creation break down and reform. The invisible comes out and suddenly you realise its significance. The 8th is intimately connected to the occult, tantra. Tantra is the study of constant change. For the physical self, the 8th house rules over death, surgeries, accidents, ‘cuts’ of every sort. For the emotional, it causes stress and separates. For the spiritual it opens up routes into the depths of the subconscious.

The 8th house also indicates the family of the spouse. The money, the wealth, resources of his/her family. Generally you do not know these things about your spouse’s family completely, so this links up with the secret nature of the 8th! Also the voice, speech, eating habits and wealth-accumulating habits of the spouse.

The 8th then indicates explorations, excavations, surgeons, shamans, tantriks, secret financial activities, scientific researchers, secret criminals, etc type of professions, which thrive on skill and an awareness of suspicions, intuitions and sensations from the internal.8th house DushamsthanThe planets occupying this house often incline an interest in the occult depending on their nature. Too many or strong planets here would indicate reduced interest in philosophy or organised religion and a deeper interest in spirituality or the occult. Their Dasha periods/ significant transits will be quite happening times. e.g. Saturn here will indicate it is the karma to do so, a Mercury will grant the boldness, necessary logic and skills to do so, Venus will grant the tantric knowledge and esoteric wisdom related to the occult etc. A special case would be the Moon placed in the 8th house.

If this house is vacant then look out for the transits or the dasha periods of the owner planet, this would be the time which would trigger its potential. This 8th house ruler is a very important agent of change in your life. Track his movement and the aspects of life he controls. He will cause sudden uncontrollable changes wherever he may be at birth or go in transit. But if you understand that he ‘transforms’ not ‘dissolve’, you might understand his actions better.

If by chance, you have the same planet ruling your 8th from ascendant and the 8th from Moon, be careful during his periods, e.g. Libra Ascendant with Moon in Pisces, Venus is ascendant lord, 8th lord, and lord of 8th house from Moon, thus the Venus mahadasha (20yr long) and his antardasha within other planets Mahadashas will be especially transformative. Similarly for Aries ascendent with Moon in Virgo be careful with your Mars periods. If you can navigate this period successfully you will benefit beyond imagination else the physical and subconscious body both will suffer.

It is important to remember that the 8th house is Shock and Change. How you go with the energy and participate in the process will determine how effective the 8th will be. A strong ascendant sign, ascendant lord and birth Moon are very important in this respect. If you are attached to your identity or have Saturn-like resistance to things unfolding around you, you will suffer more. And then is all about perception, if you are prepared for the change you will not be so shocked and if you are aware in advance you will not feel the sudden-ness. So the intensity of these events is reduced by a strong yet adaptable personality.

To navigate the 8th you will have to think like a hunter in the jungle, the shadows can contain a prey or a predator, so be prepared!

 

8th house Dushamsthan

Analysing the occult, the houses!

This is continued from the previous post here. Now about the houses, see how they connect with the occult. As usual check out the birth chart for the manifested reality of the occult phenomena, the navamsha for the astral and subconscious potential for the occult and the birth moon chart on how all this ‘other-ness’ affects the emotions and mental stability. Each house contributes to the ‘occult’ personality, but the main house is the 8th house.

Occult and the 8th are interlinked. You will need to analyse everything about this house, the planets placed in it and it’s ruler’s placement. Just a few combinations to get you thinking.

  • Any planet connected to the 8th has the capacity to grant occult senses. Pay attention to the planets placed/aspecting the 8th, which houses they rule and their nature.
  • The planetary owner of the 8th house of your chart, Mars the natural owner of the 8th house of the zodiac and the sign Scorpio the 8th natural sign, wherever they may be placed in the chart are linked to the occult. So analyse these forces too.
  • I have noticed Aries ascendant and Libra ascendant persons are often connected to the ‘occult’ in some way. I think this is because the owner of the ascendant sign and the 8th house sign is the same planet. The personality tends to accept such energy transformations more easily.
  • If the rulers of 4th, 5th, 8th, and 9th are linked in some way, (conjoint/aspects) in any of these houses, you can expect a highly aware tantrik personality.
  • Mars if placed in the 8th house always indicates that high levels of astral forces are operating which will cause transformations through catastrophic changes. Similarly for Ketu in 8th house. If such persons refuse to take up their karmic burden in the right spirit, they will suffer accidents and other problems with the physical body. If they choose to serve out their karmic load, they will become exceptional tantrics, regularly working in the astral domain, changing internally
  • I have a client who as a child didn’t understand what he was seeing. It was scary so as a child he intended that he stop ‘seeing’, so he also started losing his normal vision also. A very high myopia and more eyesight problems as he grew older. Finally by the Devi’s blessings, he realised that he had karma which could not be avoided so started ‘seeing’ again, both his visions (normal and ‘other’) then stabilised with this acceptance.

occultNow the three houses of the Dharma trikon, determine the foundations of your life, your personality/environment, your creativity/divine intelligence and your philosophies/teachers.

The first house, the Ascendant lord is how compatible your personality is with your environment. e.g. The ruler of the 1st house if with Ketu, will 100% give association with spirits. How this association turns out positive/negative depends on other placements. Ascendant sign is overall you and your environment. If you have Ketu in your 1st house, you will be also be more susceptible to the evil eye/’nazar’. Spirits can access your personality and environment very easily.

The 5th house is where you channelise divine intelligence and express it as your own personal creativity. e.g. If Ketu is linked to the 5th or owner of the 5th, you will receive information, communications and ‘intelligence’ from the disembodied ones, the ghosts and the spirits. Or the owner of the 8th house if placed in the 5th. Or if the ascendant and Ketu in the 5th.

The 9th house can grant a Teacher, a real Guru (tantric/spiritual/philosophical etc) who can guide responsibly. If this house is strong, you will learn whatever is being taught with a broad mind. You will be less likely to cheat yourself by misusing the knowledge you have been given. You will also be more likely to have students yourself so that you can pass on the wisdom thus completing your karmic cycle. Knowledge is always free, but it has to be given with a sense of love and responsibility and received with gratitude and respect. If not then this knowledge will be the cause of new karmic bindings. This house provides this foundation.

Occult abilities sometimes run in some families, Ketu in 2nd house, 4th house or even 9th house is a good indicator of such families.

Now if your profession is going to be linked to the occult, i.e if you are going to be a practicing tantrik, there will be a connect of the 2nd, 6th and 10th houses with the planets linked to the 8th house or Ketu. There will be links to the family background/2nd, or a need to serve/6th or social status/salary/profession/10th.

The Kama trikon is the 3rd/your boldness, 7th/bargaining capacity and 11th/ability to gain. These houses if strong enough will reduce the impacts of practicing the occult on yourself. I think it is rather obvious, if you are bold enough, you have the ‘working’ intelligence, you can negotiate equitable sharing/balance and gain from all this you are going to come out a winner.

The 11th house is rather important as is the house of your extended contacts, acquaintances, all sources of all types of gains, like-minded groups, very large groups etc. So if you are working with spirits, gaining from the occult etc this house will be important. Like I know a chart with Ketu in the 11th/Rahu in 5th, Moon, Mars, Sun superbly placed, this person has occult abilities beyond description, earns a lot and gives it all anonymously to charity, is never scared of anything that he sees. But then time and transits always take their toll so had to suffer very severely (illness for the physical body) for all this too.

And finally the Moksh trikon, how is this dabbling in the occult going to change you. Will you successfully resolve your karma and use these abilities as a springboard for self development? Or will you be lured by the sheer power that is accessible to you and get caught in the trap of ego? The activities of the 8th house are the main driving force. Occult is the 8th. These actions will be manifested in the 12th house in the astral and the sub-conscious dimensions and will serve as your foundation or binding, these final aspects are be analysed from the 4th house.occultFor those who have an option of choosing between the ‘occult’ or ‘spiritual’ directions, it is advisable to choose the spiritual path. Working with your own energies is considered ‘spiritual’ and infinitely preferable compared to interacting with the energies of clients (being a tantrik). Most good Jyotishis also have a good understanding of the other energies. Interactions with the other dimensional beings is also quite risky (more tantric-ness). When you work with your self, you are sure, you can find your problems, you know the best solutions and you can resolve them completely. With clients and the others it can entangle.

When I was a child I could never understand all this, later as I grew up with my chart and planets maturing, I realised that there was no other option, I ‘saw’. Now I cannot ‘un-see’, all the places I go to, all the people I interact with, the food I eat, the sounds I hear, everything has more dimensions and thus affects me on the other dimensions too. I have to be alert, even when I sleep. The only source of energy is my spiritual practice, the Devi and her mantras. I love my Devi Kali. Whatever I do, I do it because of Her, or rather She does it through me. I leave everything in Her hands.

 

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Analysing occult from the chart.

Now the other part of the question from this previous post, “inclinations to the metaphysical and the occult”!

I would never advise anyone to consciously choose the occult path. Even with an experienced teacher there are just too many problems. Energy is energy and its use binds you. I have written about these in my past posts. I personally and my clients have faced too many issues arising from the spirit worlds. But if, by karma, you are required to do it then I would suggest that you start Devi puja first. The best way is to use the Devi Mahatmya, the siddhakunjika and the navavarna mantra. Unless you fortify your energies and seek the protection of the Devi you cannot and should not dabble in the occult. You might think why waste 2 years on a mantra but it is the only strength you will have in this line of work. This is a serious warning, heed it.

Astrologically there are a few combinations which indicate involvement with the occult. As always you have to look for patterns in planetary positions. Single placements cannot be used to predict, always patterns, the chart as a whole will be involved. If you analyse your birth chart you will get the manifested context, from the D-9 Navamsha chart you will get the potential and the subconscious tendencies of the person and from the birth moon chart you will get the emotional context. The charts talk about your energies and possibilities, it is your conscious thought process which gives the final direction. You can be a healer or the sufferer, the energy is the same, just its direction is different. You can channelise the energies you have been given, the choice always remains in your hands. You do not need brute force for this, just a slight change in thought processes will result in change.occultNow here are just a few combinations to get you thinking, first the planets and then how the houses contribute to a personality involved in the occult.

Ketu and his role in your chart, the most important indicator, analyse everything about him in the chart. Where is he placed, with whom, where is the owner of his house placed etc. Ketu is detached, unwanted things, ghosts, spirits and disembodied energies. If he gets his ‘head’/direction from a malefic planet he can manifest these energies in the house (and to some extent the sign too) he is placed in. E.g. Ketu in the 5th is going to link your creativity with the astral beings, either you serve others in their troubles with the ghosts or suffer yourself!

Ketu owns the three Nakshatra, Ashwini, Magha and Moola, so if your ascendant degree or birth Moon lies in these there is a good chance that you will be familiar with the occult side of life. (These persons desire companionship with distant, unknown, disinterested, unattainable, unrequited type of unions, often partners from different worlds!)

Rahu is the counter part of Ketu. Both these forces are responsible for your life on this earth. They represent the summary of your karmic balance at the present moment. They are astral forces not ‘imaginary planets’. So Rahu is the force which attracts you to things/ objects of desire. Some typical placements are, Rahu connected to the 8th house, or ruler of the 8th house or Rahu with the moon or ascendant lord. Rahu grants that sort of ‘fools rush in where angels fear to tread’-type of fearlessness. He is so fixated on his object of desire that he disregards everything else. A Rahu personality should always try and use his intelligence and curb his headlong rush before he falls flat on his face, only then will he be extraordinarily successful in life.occultNow the Moon, this represents your mental strength and comfort. If the Moon is strong, you can easily work with spirits. A badly placed Moon will make you susceptible e.g. Moon with Saturn will scare you. However Moon in Scorpio though debilitated can grant high levels of psychic ability. Moon with Rahu/Ketu, is very easy access to the astral worlds.

Ascendant lord is the most important planet in your chart. He tells you how you and your environment interact. If he is well-placed you are more well-adjusted to your surroundings and more confident because of this. If this planet is placed with Rahu/Ketu you are going to have interactions with the astral/occult forces. It might take some time for you to understand what is happening (Rahu/Ketu mature at 48yrs of age) and thus it is possible that you will suffer damage before this period.

Venus and Jupiter are the forces of knowledge and wisdom. If these are well placed in your chart you will have the necessary knowledge, both esoteric and ritualistic to deal with any situation. If these are conjoint or aspecting Rahu or Ketu, they grant occult knowledge and after their maturity, also the necessary strength and sense to navigate the astral waters without much damage to yourself. But just remember if they are conjunct with Rahu/Ketu they also will mature late at the age of 48yrs, till then you will not be able to come to terms with your occult/spiritual leanings.

Mercury will contribute here by providing the databases and the intellectual analytic power. You might know the theory of everything (provided by Venus and Jupiter), but Mercury will give you the ‘working intelligence’ to use this wisdom. To convert the esoteric principles into working practices is the domain of Mercury.

Sun as usual provides a sense of self-ego. If he is well placed he will help by granting the necessary confidence and fearlessness. But if badly placed will add to to karmic burdens are you will perform your actions with an exaggerated sense of ‘I am doing this’.

A well placed Mars is important too. He is the natural ruler of the 8th house of the zodiac, Scorpio, the house of mysteries, so if well placed can grant the strength to explore these depths. And these depths are often scary and you have to traverse them alone. Mars being the pioneer and the ‘first’, is not afraid to enter the unknown and uncharted realms of the occult. Malefics give problems but also grant the energy to fight the problems. Remove a thorn with a thorn!

Finally Saturn, he has a restrictive role in most cases, but ultimately he is the natural owner of the 10th and the 11th houses of the zodiac so linked to your profession, social status, your name and fame, the work you will be performing in the society, your interactions with large impersonal like-minded groups, your gains and profits, your salary etc. If you are to gain all these things through the ‘occult’, then you might want to give your Saturn a quick once-over. Also if he can do good by restricting the activities of ghostly energies in your life if placed in a position where he can restrict Ketu.occultJyotish, in my opinion, cannot be taught by rote, you cannot just memorise combinations, you also need to get a ‘feel’ of the patterns and combinations. You are a Doctor, you cannot diagnose 100% based on textbook knowledge. Your intuition and experience also operate.

You might think now, just for checking just the occult tendencies why read the entire chart?  You go to the grocers only when you need to go shopping. Occult is not like that. When you start interacting with these energies you change for ever. Once ‘seen’, it cannot be ‘unseen‘. It will always remain at the edge of your conscious awareness. So again, get into this only if you feel that you are karmically required to and there is no other option. And if you have to get into this, first do your Devi mantras and keep on doing them.

(Will continue this in my next post on houses involved in occult tendencies and another one on Rahu/Ketu and the Gandant Nakshatra gap.)