The 12th house, support or sabotage

The 12th house and its energies are often glossed over in readings. It can be an uncomfortable house and needs to be understood in the right perspective. The sign/ planets connected to it secretly and unconsciously support or sabotage your mind/ body. The energies move inwards, so if there are several planets or major planets here or the house is as a whole incapable of giving good results then selfish behaviour and unhealthy self-obsession can result. If this sign/ planets is unable to give good results, then there may be depraved behaviour, unnatural or self-destructive patterns, disturbed spiritual energy, restlessness, inability to rest or insidious damage to the self/environment. If you can consciously work through these and come to terms with their expression, you can achieve a lot in in the inner worlds.

The 12th house is the karmic imprint of your immediate past life. These are your strength/ weakness from that life which you used as your current life’s base. Inauspiciously placed sign/ planets here indicate that you have decided to repay the negative karmic debts from your past lives. The 1st house is derived from the 12th house, so you are compulsorily required to rebalance them now. One way you can make sense of a painful 12th house is, to understand that you are repaying negative debts owed from past several lives to a large number of people. It will ultimately be for the good.

The 12th house, support or sabotage

Isolation is a very common motif of the 12th house. Banishment from the home-town even under the guise of better prospects elsewhere is still an internal problem. Your work may require isolation, you work in a research laboratory but you are still isolated from your society. Or punitive, you might be confined in prison or places apart from society because of your own actions. Prisons are meant for those who misuse their physical abilities and engage in criminal actions. This is the retribution in this life administered by the legal system of the society. The mentally challenged are those who misused their intellect in their past lives and in this life are denied access to their mental processes. These are also isolated from the society and/ or confined in mental asylums. This is karmic retribution administered by their own conscience at the moment of death of their past life. Similarly for physically handicapped people who do not have or cannot use their limbs. Here presumably the individual is required to reflect and regain their perspective and rebalance themselves.

The experiences of your mother as you were being created in her womb and your early childhood upto 7yrs are also linked to the 12th house things. If you have major planets in your 12th house try to think back on what your parents told you to not do, ‘don’t cry, don’t be late, don’t be a baby, don’t.. ‘. This is an expression of your 12th house energy. This ‘don’t..’ has shaped your life in a very deep way and even as an adult trying to do those forbidden things can cause internal stress and discomfort. But you are an adult now and these things need to be resolved else you might carry them onwards to your next life. So try to bear through the sub-consciously felt terror and let these 12th house impressions systematically out in the open. If you try to deny them and push them again beneath the surface they will continue creating problems.

If you were told ‘don’t be a crybaby’, you might have problems expressing your genuine emotional hurts. It is a deep automatic compulsion which you cannot overcome. If you even think that you will tell your friend that you are feeling hurt, your BP will shoot up, fingers go cold, heartbeat accelerates, it is a in-built compulsion to stay silent, there is fear. This is an extreme example, but people do feel like this about their 12th house things. Eg Saturn in 12th house, you will never be late, if you even think of being late, you will get an anxiety attack. Try to consciously examine this in-built behaviour and gradually reduce its hold over you. If you think about these things, analyse them and gradually understand them, your fear of them will reduce.

The 12th house is energies which are not allowed expression in your conscious life. So these churn and accumulate below the surface and at the critical point explode spectacularly.  The more something is denied expression, the more severely it bursts out. This can manifest as a disease which is detected at the very terminal stages. Or can be an emotional breakdown. Or a break in whatever keywords of the sign/planets associated. Over-reactions. So do pay attention to the transits and the Dasha periods. Also give yourself an outlet once in a while.

Eg a Mars in the 12th house won’t let you lose your temper much. This is called a Manglik placement. So give him an outlet, go to the gym and bring out all your inner aggression there, learn a martial art perhaps. Regulate these energies before they erupt in disorganised dangerous and damaging forms. Now what happens when you do explode. Eg you have 12th Mars and your husband is at the receiving end. He has forgotten your birthday and the last time you raged was a more than a year ago. So now in an instant, you will remember every tiny thing your husband did to irritate you in the past year. Everything which you didn’t react to in that long time will come to the surface in one red flash. That entire anger will be like lava pouring out. Your husband is in shock because he thinks you have perfect temper, you do not rage like this. And you feel your every word to be justified. You rage till you are drained, now you might cry as this is a form of release. Result, possibly an irrevocable break in the relationship. Your 12th house has sabotaged you. This can happen triggered by typical transits/ Dasha periods.

Now the 12th house is the resource from which your persona/ environment has been sourced. So even if you are not aware of its energies you radiate them! Eg Saturn here will make you appear very strict and disciplined. As a senior you will be feared by your subordinates. You will come across as a fair but rigid boss. And all the while you might have a very different idea of what image you are projecting as you are unaware of this Saturnine aspect of yourself! Now what you project, you will attract too. So here, you will attract even more Saturnine energies which do not support but will suppress you even more, a vicious cycle will start. If you ever become aware of the Saturn in you and balance it, you will find life becomes subtly less restrictive.

The 12th house, support or sabotage

Now a damaged 12th house will spill over most on the 4th and 8th houses, the Moksh trikon. The 12th and 8th houses are the dushamsthan, houses of turmoil and the biggest dushamsthan, the 6th house, is the mirror of the 12th house! So you can rebalance your 12th house by directly working on it or indirectly through these other houses.

The 4th is the astral depths, comfort, safety, emotions, residence, vehicles, lands, mother, nutrition, traditions, home-culture etc. If you actively increase these energies in your life either by experiencing them yourself or giving them to others as charity you support your 12th house too. Heavy energies in the 12th house often deny or restrict nurture, and the person often repeats the same with his child. but if he can become aware and change, get involved and nurture his child, this helps him balance his own energies too.

Most effective remedies are helping out at orphanages and old-age homes (it is a second childhood in a way). We help the most vulnerable in the society thus address the deepest vulnerability within our own selves.

The 6th is karmic service, debts, diseases, enemies etc basically serve or suffer. Your understanding of karmic debts and your ways of repaying them is all here. There are two options, either fall ill yourself or help those who are ill. This is free will, you choose. So if you choose to proactively study your 6th house and work on ways to repay the energy debt this will help channelising your 12th house energies too. Eg you see people with Rahu in the 12th house often settling in foreign lands. These people choose to get disconnected from the land and everything of their forefathers and go serve in a strange land. From the energy point of view leaving the homeland is always a problem. (A friend lives in the USA, has non-stop dreams of her ancestors. The easiest solution is to feed a cow, give her a chapati and a lump of jaggery. In India, desi humped cows are all around. There in the USA there are no desi humped cows and she says if she feeds an animal like this she might get put in jail! But her ancestors want the energy so the dreams continue.)

The 8th house can also be used to link to the energies of the 12th house. This can range from occult practices, tantra, private meditation, manipulation of pran/ vital energies or the other extreme being several sexual affairs.

Then the planets connected to the 12th house can naturally be used to channelise their energies in a proper way. Eg If you have Mercury there, write as much as you can! Another very effective way of rebalancing the 12th house energies is to use your dreams. I have written about using a dream journal, this can be a very good way of channelising your dreams or doing targeted dreaming which helps rebalancing the energies of the sub-conscious states. So the 12th house is a very important house and you should be consciously aware of it. Being aware of your own vulnerability is a big thing. Do not shy away from it, analyse it and the planets placed in it carefully. Too many planets in the 12th house or the ascendant lord or the Moon or the Sun in the 12th house always indicate physical and mental weakness. Be careful of the health of your body and mind. Always remember to put yourself, your concerns and your interests first. This is important. If you feel exhausted or drained, take care of yourself first. How much ever, difficult it is to communicate, seek professional help too.

 

The 12th house, support or sabotage

Jupiter, Saturn placed in the 8th house

The 8th house is called a Dushamsthan, a house of turmoil. Every sort of ‘Shock’, is the domain of the 8th house. This post is on how Jupiter and Saturn perform in this house of traumatic catastrophic changes.

Jupiter placed in the 8th house.

Jupiter placed in the 8th house is a good placement. His primary nature is to expand, so he will expand whatever is signified by your 8th house. Jupiter and Mars are quite friendly so Jupiter feels quite comfortable in this natural house of Mars.

The 8th is the house of all sorts of openings so you can expect life to open up for you at several levels. At the most material level, doors will open for you and the windows of opportunity will always available. But this route of growth will be in the shape of the transformative agents of the shocking 8th house. However Jupiter’s inherent benevolent nature allows you to accept this transformative trauma and its growth potential with hope and faith. Identity transformations will be many but gentler. There will be several changes in personality, ever growing, ever expanding.

You will face a lot of upheavals in life linked to the agents of the 8th, but every change will give you an enormously positive outcome which you had neither thought of nor anticipated at that time. There will be several unexpected situations in life. Possibilities of several surgeries remain, however they will all be successful. It would be good if you do routine body check ups after mid-life.

You will have knowledge of the occult and mysterious. Several deep secrets will be known to you, about yourself and about other people too. And you will use them, the secretive ‘king-maker’, your actions will be secret too. You will outwardly seem very ordinary but will wield your secretive influence on matters which will affect several. There will be something magnetic/large! about your personality, depending on which sign/body part is linked here. Large magnetic eyes perhaps?

Jupiter is an enormous graha and he uses the enormous potential of the 8th. He is basically a Teacher, and grants life experience using the energy of this 8th. His teachings go very deep into the astral self. You will practice spiritual activities which involve the movement of pran /kundalini. If the other placements support, this Jupiter can grant Moksh or at least significant spiritual growth.

You might have secret affairs before marriage or there will be some secret irregularities before you settle down with your spouse. The actual marriage event also will be in a relative secret setting. The spouse may be secretive, preferring to not be in the public eyes, or may have secret tantrik/ occult/ financial skills which are not known generally. The spouse and his/her family will be generous and helpful. Wealth will increase post-marriage. You can expect increases in hidden wealth. However the family finances will remain your secret as you do not share these details with your spouse. The marriage is reasonably happy with lesser number of children.

The results will vary as per the sign that is in the 8th. e.g. Jupiter if placed in his own signs, Sagittarius or Pisces or his sign of exaltation which is Cancer, will give even better results. Also do analyse that Jupiter is placed here as the lord of which houses. e.g. where are his signs (Sagittarius /Pisces) placed. These other 2 houses will also be affected by Jupiter occupying the 8th.

Transits of Jupiter are relatively long at about 1year per sign, in this period he goes retrograde for about 4 months. So there is a lot of scope for learning, re-learning and revising his lessons. Keep an eye on his transits.

Then as per the Vimhottari dasha system, Jupiter’s Major period, Mahadasha is quite long, 16 years. Also his sub-periods/Antar-dasha, in other planet’s Mahadashas is also quite lengthy. So keep this factor in mind while analysing his effect on you.

Overall this is a good placement.

Jupiter, Saturn placed in the 8th house

Saturn placed in the 8th house.

There is an understanding that this placement gives a long life, but always evaluate the quality of such a life before concluding that this is a good placement!

Shani is ‘fear’, so unless your Mars, 8th house lord, Ascendant lord and Moon are well placed you will be in perpetual fear of the agents of the 8th house. You resist transformations, change, rebirth, renewal, regeneration and refuse to re-define your self. You resist movement. The environment of the 8th demands transformative changes yet Shani resists them all. His nature is that he must resist. He remains fixed and he endures. Your personality faces changes, this is the function of the 8th house. 8th is continuous evolution. But as Saturn’s nature is to maintain the framework, you cannot evolve freely under his influence.

So look back at your life and try to analyse. Change is essential! But have you failed to change and thus lost valuable opportunities? After this self-introspection, list out the things about you which need change. And then commit yourself to change, slowly gradually over a period of time. As Saturn is commitment and regulation he will accept this form of regulated and well-evaluated change regime.

Then on the physical front, you will require medicines and visit the physical doctor often. You will be less receptive to the power of faith and the energy-healing methods. But in any case, there will be chronic diseases and healing will be slow, yet it will be a long life! Evaluate the 6th, 8th houses together for a in-depth on this health aspect.

The in-laws are seen from the 8th house and will be heavily influenced by Saturn. Here he occupies the 6/8 angle to the ascendant sign, thus the agents of the 8th will be adversarial to the personality. So the spouse and his/her family will be restrictive, maybe in constrained circumstances, anonymous working class type. You will be required to perform duties for them. Spouse’s face, speech, voice and behaviour will not be pleasing and often adversarial to your personal well-being. There will be a significant age difference. However she/he would be hardworking and suffer from chronic illnesses.

Relationship with the birth father is not good. Shani is the natural ruler of the 10th house so the birth father will not be of much help in this life, profession or his wealth will not be available to you. As 8th is 12th counted from the 9th house, the guidance from spiritual-father, established religion and ancestors will also be restricted.

From here Saturn aspects the 10th house, 2nd house and 5th house. So typically you would be a hard-working professional, perhaps with lesser salary than you deserve and your creative intelligence is highly structured. Wealth will not be in proportion to the work being demanded unless there are other influences supporting wealth-generation. No bursts of creativity, more like a steady disciplined output. You cannot ‘enjoy’ your creative genius. e.g. no time to play with children.

The results will vary as per the sign that is in the 8th. Also do analyse where are his signs (Capricorn/Aquarius) placed, in the chart, i.e. Saturn is in the 8th as the ruler of which houses of your chart? These other 2 houses will also be subtly influenced by the agents of the 8th house.

Exception is if Shani is in Libra (exalted), or in Capricorn or Aquarius (his own signs), thus he can better structure the energies of the 8th and help you use them, effectively with discipline. By the time you leave the physical body, you will be a master of these energies and may accrue significant occult /tantrik skills to make the death process very systematic. Depending on the other factors in the chart, he can also grant Moksh or at least significant spiritual growth.

Transits of Saturn are relatively long at about 2.5 years per sign, and he goes retrograde for 4-5 months per year. Thus he ensures learning, re-learning and revising his lessons. Then as per the Vimhottari dasha system, Saturn’s Major period, Mahadasha is quite long, 19 years. Also his sub-periods/Antar-dasha, in other planet’s Mahadashas is also quite long. So keep these factors in mind while analysing Saturn and the timing/intensity of his results.

And then as always, the situation will improve after Saturn matures. Also if the ascendant sign/lord, birth Moon, Mars and 8th house lord are well placed, the negatives of this position can be reduced.

 

Jupiter, Saturn placed in the 8th house

I have written about Moon, Sun and Mercury and their effects in the 8th house and also how Rahu/Ketu perform in the 8th house in my earlier posts.